The former president and once-again-future president, who are historically something less than besties, chatted it up before the service began. (Michelle Obama was not in attendance.)

The two men were seated next to each other at the National Cathedral in Washington, D.C., talking before Carter’s funeral officially started. Trump leaned in to say something to Obama, who listened before laughing and smiling as Trump continued to speak into Obama’s ear.

Former President Barack Obama attended Jimmy Carter’s state funeral on Thursday without his wife, Michelle Obama, although a spokeswoman for the former first lady said she sent her condolences to the Carter family.